Podcast Episode
Stop Fighting About Money and Start Building Wealth Together with Michael Dillard
Pesa Shayo and Michael Dillard explain how couples can stop fighting over money, build financial trust, manage debt, invest, and create wealth together.

Now Playing
Stop Fighting About Money and Start Building Wealth Together with Michael Dillard
Follow the show
Listen on your favorite app
Why do couples keep fighting about money even when the real problem is deeper than the numbers?
In this episode of Live Your Best Marriage, Pesa talks with Michael Dillard, retired U.S. diplomat, personal finance educator, author, and host of the SAVER Podcast, about how couples can stop attacking each other and start facing their financial problems together.
Michael explains how different money personalities influence spending, saving, investing, and giving. He also shares why couples need a shared financial system instead of allowing one spouse to control every decision.
What You Will Learn
- How different money personalities create conflict
- Why neither spouse’s financial perspective is automatically wrong
- How cross-cultural couples can handle requests to support parents and extended family
- Why family financial expectations should be discussed before and during marriage
- How debt can delay a couple’s future
- What couples should understand about life insurance, retirement accounts, and investing
- How parents can begin teaching children about money and generational wealth
- Michael’s SAVER framework for creating a clearer financial plan
- Practical first steps for couples living paycheck to paycheck
The United Front Takeaway
Money decisions should not be made by one spouse and announced to the other. Couples build financial trust when they communicate honestly, understand what money means to each person, and make important decisions together.
Are money, family expectations, culture, in-laws, or divided loyalties making it harder for you and your spouse to stay on the same side? Take the free United Front Quiz. In just a few minutes, you will discover where your marriage is strong, where it is vulnerable to family and cultural pressure, and your next step toward becoming a true united front.
Episode Chapters
- 00:00 – Introduction and Meet Michael Dillard
- 01:03 – Why Couples Fight About Money
- 02:14 – The Four Money Personalities
- 04:29 – Culture, Family Obligations, and Money
- 08:10 – Introducing the SAVER Method
- 08:33 – S: Secure Your Income (Life Insurance)
- 10:26 – A: Allocate Your Investments
- 12:34 – V: Vanquish High-Interest Debt
- 13:14 – E: Empower Your Tax Savings
- 14:34 – R: Reiterate Financial Literacy
- 15:58 – Teaching Kids About Money
- 18:32 – The Power of Compound Interest
- 19:38 – Breaking the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Cycle
- 23:56 – It’s Never Too Late to Start
- 27:37 – Overcoming Financial Shame
- 29:55 – Where to Find More Resources
- 31:07 – Closing Thoughts and Recap
Learn More About Michael Dillard
Visit MichaelDillard.org to access the SAVER Vault and his free Stop Living Paycheck to Paycheck Challenge. You can also listen to the SAVER Podcast for more practical conversations about personal finance and generational wealth.
Live Your Best Marriage helps cross-cultural Christian couples stop fighting each other and start facing money, culture, in-laws, loyalty conflicts, family expectations, and boundaries as one united front.
